<p>Jeez, Lance, I'm not sure why you left so abruptly. I thought we were having a healthy discussion.</p><p>Maybe I've misled you. I'm not a Republican. Never have been. Never will be. I always have been and always will be independent. I voted for Perot in '92 (dodged a bullet there! ;), Clinton in '96 (took a bullet for that one!), and am far from a blind follower of George W. Bush. However, I have zero faith in Kerry — less than zero — I think he's another self-serving, self-important, head-in-the-sand accident-waiting-to-happen, just like Clinton.</p><p>Bush and I are using each other. He wants my vote, and I want someone who will take the threat of terrorism seriously. He's already proven that he ain't messing around. He hasn't done everything right, but I know he recognizes the danger. I fear Kerry would ignore it until the next tragedy.</p><p>As for the Patriot Act and the threat you speak of, I think that's so far-fetched that I'm not sure why you waste your time on it. I see Islamic violence as a much more likely event than ending up in prison under the Patriot Act. I appreciate your commitment to pure civil liberties and such, but I really think this is a time for being realistic and prioritizing your issues. When worldwide global terrorism is under control, we can once again clarify these more theoretical issues. Until then, I'd rather empower the good guys to stop the bad guys. Given a choice between trusting the U.S. government and an Al Qaeda cell, I know which way I'd go. I'm not sure why you fear your own government so much. For all its flaws, it is still a pretty wonderful thing that deserves a little more trust, IMHO. Even if it's horribly corrupt, it's got to survive and keep you alive in order to exploit you. :-)</p><p>Regarding people changing their views, you said you used to be a Republican. I used to be a liberal. I used to be an atheist. And I used to do my curly braces like this:<pre>
for( short i=99; i; –i )
printf("%d bottles of beer on the wall", i);
}</pre>I consider myself the only moderate left in the world, and I really do believe I have an open mind. I think it's a shame that people are so unlikely to listen, learn, and change their minds. But it does happen. I'm living proof, and so are you!</p>
<p>Lee, thanks for keeping stuff civil. I realize that I've violated one of my tenets: never talk politics, religion, or curly braces.</p>
<p>I don't think you'll find Truth, as it is in the eye of the believer. That is to say I think you and I know many of the same 'facts' but have interpreted them differently.</p>
<p>I used to be a Republican myself and it was their hypocrisy that led me to the other side. There is enough of that crap to go around both sides. Just one example – look at Bush's No Child Left Behind. Great in principle and then underfunded – my children face an increasing struggle for education due to teacher cutbacks and reduced resources in the classroom.</p>
<p>The "rhetoric" you refer to is the Patriot Act. According to it you or I could be taken from our homes and indefinately imprisoned without trial or charge; all we need do is anger someone in a sufficient position of power. The Justice department has tried to force librarians to disclose the reading patterns of their clientele. There is quite a list. My opinion is that my liberties have been eroded and I fear them being eroded more.</p>
<p>I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. Of those three topics I mention in the first paragraph I don't believe I've ever seen anyone convinced to change their position; which is why I try to avoid such conversations.</p>
<p>This will be my last post here. I respect your technical skills, which is why I subscribed to your feed. I will be changing my subscription to your technical topics only.</p>
You're welcome to post here, Lance. I have no axe to grind. I am searching for the Truth. I have opinions, but I am open to discussion, unlike bee-AT-tee. I have even been known to change my opinion. Heck, I used to be a flaming liberal. (I got better.)<p>All I can say about Hussein is that, given the time and opportunity, he would have been happy to follow in Bin Laden's footsteps. He was a threat. Now he isn't. In the wake of 9/11, with him flouting UN weapons inspectors for over a decade, it was not a mistake to take him seriously.<p>One of the things that helped me get over my liberalism is the hypocracy. Clinton went to all kinds of places, like Somalia, Bosnia, and Chechnya. They were never a threat to us the way Hussein was. Where was the righteous indignation about any of that? These missions had far more nebulous reasons and objectives than Afghanistan and Iraq. Did liberals cry out in protest, or did they blindly follow "their" guy? Plus, Clinton let attacks like the 1993 World Trade Center, the U.S.S. Cole, and the bombings of the American Embassies go essentially unanswered, which led up to 9/11/01, yet liberals still find a way to blame Bush. We are suffering the hangover from Clinton's party years, both economically and militarily, but Democrats won't own up to any of it and want to do it again with Kerry.</p><pre>For myself it isn't President Bush himself that concerns so much as the people that run
his administration: Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft – to name a few popular targets.
What they have done in the name of The War On Terror frightens me.</pre><p>I've heard plenty of this kind of rhetoric, but what does this really mean, other than a gut-level dislike? Have your liberties personally been eroded or trampled upon? Mine haven't. This is one of those accusations like global warming or Bush raping the environment that I think is just sensationalist fiction. Where are the facts to back up your fears?</p><p>Given what happened three years ago and the fact that there are plenty of people who would like to hit us even harder today, I'm impressed by how little my day-to-day life has actually changed! Other than having to take my shoes off in an airport, what have I had to give up for my security? What has <i>really</i> changed in your life? I think this is just opportunistic hype with no substance behind it. This is why I stopped being a liberal and became a realist. All the emotional stuff started to wear really thin. As an engineer, I operate better on facts than feelings. The liberal approach to economics is untenable and destructive. And the liberal views on security are self-destructive. The whole kumbayah thing just shows how out of touch liberals are with reality.</p><p>I mean no offense, Lance, but you've got to give me something to hang on to, if you're going to persuade me. Otherwise, it's more of Russell Beattie's meaningless, emotion-driven drivel. Sadly, I think that's what's driving most of Kerry's supporters. i don't think he's offered anything else.</p>
<p>Lance, I'll add a few things to your points on Hussein.</p>
<p>He WAS a threat to his neighbors and to Israel. And more importantly he <b>WAS</b> a threat to innocent people in Iraq.</p>
<p>He is no longer a threat to anyone. You can thank President Bush for that.</p>
<p>It's funny Erik, I frequently mutter to myself exactly the same thing about people who support Bush :-)</p>
<p>I've said it before here: I supported the attack on Afghanistan to oust the Taliban and root out the AlQuida (what is the spelling today?) training camps there. But there never was and never has been any incontravertable evidence that Hussein was connected to them in any way.</p>
<p>He was definately a threat to his neighbors and to Israel – but not to us.</p>
<p>I presume you'll have more grace than Russell and not delete dissenting views. I don't care for Russ's ranting and foaming at the mouth, but I agree with most of his views.</p>
<p>I think few people will disagree that it is a good thing that Saddam Hussein no longer runs Iraq. What people do disagree about is whether it really was in *our* best interest for us to invade Iraq.</p>
<p>If we really wanted to go after State-Sponsored-Terrorism there are a couple other countries we would have done better to attack: Iran and Syria.</p>
<p>I wish Kerry would provide more specifics about his "plans". While there are those radicals who will never be appeased, those recruited to fight against us and Israel are largely poor young men and women (desperately poor) to which life offers nothing. The one thing I've heard Kerry say is that he wants to address this issue. It is a classic case of the "have nots" hating the "haves".</p>
<p>For myself it isn't President Bush himself that concerns so much as the people that run his administration: Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft – to name a few popular targets. What they have done in the name of The War On Terror frightens me.</p>
<p>The ends do not justify the means.</p>
<p>"Those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither" to paraphrase Ben Franklin (don't know if I have the quote exactly right).
Russ is full of sh*t.
It's amazing that a guy that seems to be so knowledgeable about one thing (java) can be such a moron about another (politics).
I agree with damn near everything you have to say about Russ and the positives of strike first ask questions latter.
Thank for turning me on to Appfuse and Tapestry.
I tried your instructions for adding Tapestry. I'm using Tomcat 5.0 and have some notes:
TYPO: The new file is saved as Home.htm , not .html
I also added this to build.xml in the package-web target , war task:
The I got some ClassNotFoundExceptions and added these 2 jars to CATALINA_HOME/common/lib
<a href="http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi"> commons-codec-1.3.jar</a>
Now I'm getting this error:
Could not load class org.appfuse.webapp.Home from
WebappClassLoader delegate: false repositories
and I'm in no mood to think about classloader problems. Never have been. My brain shuts down when I see the phrase ClassLoader. I'll check back with you when it kicks in again.
Hi Lee. I'm always glad to have a level-headed argument. The "anyonebutbush.com" was mostly a joke. And I've never watched more than 5 minutes of Larry King.
I've never supported Bush, but mostly because I disagree with the majority of the Republican platform (not that I agree with all of the Democratic platform, certainly).
Bush's genuine clarity of right and wrong is precisely what scares me the most: if you don't agree with what he says is right, than you are wrong. And with Ashcroft as his right-hand-man it is increasingly dangerous to be wrong in the USA.
The way many issues have been handled (from Conservation to the Microsoft judgement) I've only become increasinly convinced that Bush does not represent me.
I don't particularly relish the idea of Gore handling the 9/11 disaster, I don't think the protracted aftermath would be so bad as it is now. Bush's policies have put the USA in a difficult position internationaly. Perhaps if he had stopped at Afghanistan it would have been alright. We'd still be fighting all the "foreign terrorists" that are now in Iraq – but we had good international support in Afhanistan including several Arab nations.
Finally: "Everything else is secondary to our security". No, I cannot agree with that. Do I need to remind you of Benjamin Franklin's quote?
ahhh the nitrous, had many a fun nights with my tank.. anyhow.. ive been playing with tapestry for 2 days and its really well uhm.. different, just been trying different things out, reading lots of source, and found a couple of basic tutorials, still dont know what the best practices are but it looks really good but theres just so much to learn, its like an all-in-one framework, instead of using different frameworks together like sitemesh,webwork2,displaytag, etc i just need one, anyhow, its been alot of fun learning it and i've got to buy the book and im really excited about it because its just so different, but right now im pretty dammed happy with sitemesh and webwork2, plus spring, hibernate, velocity, all these neat frameworks, and so many more to look into..